RE: THE PUBLIC SPEAK – ABC ‘Catalyst’ Water fluoridation – One long thread


~~~~~

WARNING: Strong language  ASWLA DISCLAIMER: We take no responsiblity for people’s real feelings and just archive letters/comments.

GENRE:  FEEDBACK from public

TO:  ABC ‘Catalyst’ Water Fluoridation segment, 8th August 2013

AUTHORS:  The general public.  ASWLA comment: We will archive all comments, even if we publish this post before all comments are in — we’ll just keep adding as they are submitted.

DATE SENT: Thursday 8th August, ongoing till all comments are in.

TITLE: RE: ABC ‘Catalyst’ Water fluoridation – PUBLIC COMMENTS – One long thread ongoing…..

STATUS: No response required.

UPDATES:  Please post all updates and comments in the LEAVE A REPLY section below.

EXTERNAL LINKS: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3821248.htm

#1. It is interesting that they say Fluoride lowers intelligence – seems hard to imagine a whole state or country with morons as ethically low as the Peoples Bullshit TV station THE AUSTRALIAN BROADCAST COMMISSION.  Commonly called the bullshit brigade.

Just where do they get such ” intelligent ” journalists from must be imported, most Aussies aren’t that stupid.
Have they gone overboard on their reporting with such blatant lying ????

I have to get my handkerchief and weep at the juvenile tactics of a Pro Fluoride group.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)

Brian W. (VIC)

~~~~

#2. My impressions are that the presentation was like a children’s fairy tale, not a adult body of work as was presented in the piece on sugar. Even the presenter had a tone of a adult putting on a simplified somewhat babyish dialogue as if talking to preschoolers.

The background music was also reminiscent of a children’s presentation, kept waiting for the sugarplum fairy to appear.
Completely lacking any scientific data, just sweeping statements on how good this stuff is, an essay on brainwashing, so one-sided, just nod and agree, do not question.
The little of the anti-fluoride case was given a “look at these dumb idiots” feel to it, why they even bothered amused me, the whole piece was so prejudice in it’s reporting style.
Peter L.  (QLD)
~~~~
#3. On the ABC’s comments section, right after the segment:

“This board is not open to new messages at present. Please try again later. Messages over 500 words long may be automatically truncated. All comments are moderated. Please refer to the ABC’s Conditions of Use.”

Says it all. Spineless.

John B. (NSW)

~~~~~

#4. Complaint re: Biased Reporting – ABC Catalyst 8 August 2013

Attn: Programme Management – Catalyst  Dear Sir, Whilst I must commend you on the excellent segment about the contribution of sugar hidden in packaged foods to the escalating global obesity rate, the propagandist presentation of the issues of fluoridation was its antithesis. Glaringly obvious in the juxtaposition of these two topics in the same show is the fact that the biggest contributor to the rise in caries is sugar consumption, yet this was not mentioned.  Instead we were led to believe by the Hawaiian shirted and infamous Michael Foley that caries develop because of some kind of fluoride deficiency, and that a little ‘systemic topping up’ every day is supposed to ensure fluoroapatite forms in tooth enamel like the old Mrs Marsh commercials.

I’m so sick to death of the corruption of science by big industry agendas.  The science is prolific that fluoride toxicity is escalating.  Only half the fluoride of chronic fluoridated water consumption is excreted and the fluoride accumulates over time.  This has very adverse effects on the brain and other organs because it is a systemic poison.  It was admitted that fluoride is a poison, but somehow justified that in small amounts it’s okay.  What kind of lunatic statement is that?

How do you know what that fluoride is doing to every other cell in the body beside the tooth enamel when industrial grade fluoride chemicals (hydrofluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride) have never been proven safe for ingestion?  What’s worse is that they are used in the water supply as an unapproved drug with the intention of achieving a therapeutic prophylactic effect.  NHMRC have qualified their recommendation by repeatedly stating in each review that there are not enough quality studies and they cannot make a conclusion about safety of consumption over time for people in population subgroups that may be sensitive to fluoride such as people with kidney disease.

How do you know how much fluoride people are ingesting when they can drink any amount of this medication without restriction, and also absorb fluoride from dental products, drugs and the food supply via the halo effect?How can you dare to show the image of a very white set of teeth to imply fluoride gives you perfect teeth when fluorosis of the teeth has become so common?  Why did you not show pictures of what fluorosis looks like?

You did not present any information about the damning evidence against fluoridation.  Instead of informing people about the studies showing the relationship of fluoride consumption with the lowering of IQ, Hawaiian shirted Foley just glossed over these facts as though they were someone’s imaginings. You did not contradict any of his propaganda with the evidence that is now so readily available.

What about the recent Harvard meta analysis on the neurological effects of fluoride on children?
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/
There is so much to choose from and you had NOTHING.  Unbelievable!

Why didn’t you show the caries statistics of each state if you wanted to prove that fluoridation lowers caries?  You compared Townsville with Brisbane using Hawaiian shirted Foley’s skewed statistics.  It’s not a 45% difference at all.  One quarter of a tooth surface is not statistically significant and in fact in all comparisons from around the world there is no statistical difference between fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities in the prevalence of caries.  The only time the difference becomes greater is in the 5-6 year old age group because in fluoridated areas tooth eruption is delayed by a year, and so there are less teeth to measure and compare in the fluoridated areas.  This difference disappears as children get older.  The reason tooth eruption is delayed is because fluoride deposits in and affects the pineal gland which regulates our body clock.  Yes, this little ‘systemic top up’, as referred to by Hawaiian shirted Foley, affects quite a lot more than the enamel.  But you have censored all that data.  Why?

Why didn’t you show the statistics for Tasmania?  They are the first Australian state to be fluoridated and after 60 years they have the worst caries rates in Australia.And you call this science?There is no morality in fluoridation.  It is mass medication and a heinous crime against humanity.  Get out of the 60’s mentality and catch up with the rest of the world – PLEASE!  The comparison with seat belt rules is so old and hackneyed I’m surprised Hawaiian shirted Foley hasn’t come up with anything new in his arsenal.  Seat belts are a safety precaution and doesn’t harm:  Fluoridation has no precautionary principle and many people in the population can easily accumulate toxic levels.  Yes, arsenic is a poison too, and in small doses over a number of years you can destroy organs and life.  Fluoride is not a nutrient and in fact inhibits vital nutrients such as magnesium and iodine: A shortage in magnesium and iodine is associated with heart disease, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, cancer, mental illness and osteoporosis.  Just a ‘systemic top-up’?  No thanks!

Councils and water authorities are given the job to administer a medication with no medical qualifications to anyone regardless of their health status or sensitivities, and people can consume as much as they like without any monitoring of side effects.  Fluoride was used in the 60’s to treat hyperthyroid.  Now we have the mass dosing of a population with an anti-thyroid medication.  And you seem to think this is okay?  Where is your moral compass?
Most of the rest of the world has ceased fluoridation because of the damning science that has emerged over the years.  You cannot control the dose and people are being over-exposed.
This was just a sad dusty old propaganda piece.  Nothing new.  Very disappointing.
Your sincerely,

Sandy S. (QLD)

~~~~~

# 5. Hey Dickhead, I just saw your bullshit report:

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3821248.htm

May God have mercy on your soul.

Name withheld. (VIC)

~~~~~

#6. It was truly the most disgusting piece of un-journalistic biased mess of outright lies I’ve ever had the misfortune to watch.

The out-right lies. How can any of you, sleep at night….?

You will see what such lies bring to fruit.

Nice you coupled it with sugar. The very first thing in the body that goes out of whack with fluoride, is the hormonal system.

Paid industry shills, the lot of you.
Volunteer (QLD).
~~~~

#7.  Response to the transcript:  ‘Jesus Christ.  I can’t bear to read it.’
Name withheld  (VIC)
~~~~~
#8.  Factitiously, herewith my lady-like thoughts: #$$%%&^*@#$%%

‘Lamestream Spews’ sounds appropriate even though inelegant.

Name withheld (QLD)

~~~~~

#9. Here’s my comment. Let it go down in history.

CATALYST:
Noun
A substance that increases the rate of a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change.
A person or thing that precipitates an event.

Here is Dr Michael Foley, the industry attack dog in his Hawaiian shirt, looking and sounding like a used car salesman regurgitating the same old same old, like a dog returning to his vomit. He could be called a ‘catalyst’ in the sense that he hopes to speed up the reaction of the masses to accepting fluoridation resulting in a huge explosion of informed rebels who can see through the lies and deception, the ultimate irony. Michael Foley, I read your power point presentation to the Japanese showing them how to use propaganda and skew the statistics to make fluoridation look better than it is. You didn’t want anyone to see that presentation did you you disgusting, lying, manipulative scumbag. That’s why you had that power point presentation removed from the Japanese website immediately it became public. What did you have to hide Michael? Now we all know who you really are. You’re not a Dentist’s arsehole. You are an industry paid shill, a mole, a prostitute and a parasite and one day I will piss on your grave.

It’s because of you that I have to deliver bottled water to my 82 year old mum for the rest of her life because she is kidney impaired and has no teeth so where is the benefit to her.

The ABC should hang its head in shame for refusing to allow some balance in the segment by interviewing at least one Dentist, Toxicologist or scientist who doesn’t  tow the party line.

The first segment in tonight’s program about sugar and obesity was brilliant and did exactly what the second segment on fluoride should have done, exposing the greed and self interest agenda of big business at the expense of the masses.

Gone are the days when you can fool us with your one sided propaganda.
Those of us who avoid fluoride have sharp brains that know how to research. We have social media, and we know how to cut through your bullshit.

This is one more holy cow that will be slaughtered for the footy Bar B Qs across Australia like Lead, Asbestos, DDT and Tobacco.

All you conspirators and leaches who knowingly participate in this evil will take your sins with you to the grave……………..AND YOU WILL BE JUDGED.

Peter S (QLD)

~~~~~
#10. Dear Professor Michael Moore,
Re the ABC catalyst programme tonight [Thursday 8th August], precisely which specific chemical is meant when referring to fluoridating Queenslands public potable water supplies, is it –

  1. One of the legal chemicals stipulated or mandated in section 5 of the Water Fluoridation Regulation 2008, NaF, Na2SiF6, H2SiF6 or ‘naturally’ occuring fluoride? See attached section 5 below.  OR
  2. Either NaF, Na2SiF6 or H2SiF6 as stated on page 4 of the “Code of Practice for the Fluoridation of Public Water Supplies”? See part copy & paste section below OR
  3. NaF, Na2SiF6 or H2SiF6 as stated on page 8-6 of the “Australian Drinking Water Guidelines”? See part copy & paste of applicable sections below.  OR
  4. A mixture of non legal or lawful toxic industrial waste carcinogenic chemicals, heavy metals & poisons such as, but not limited to – As, Ag, Al, Cu, B, Be, Ba, Cd, Cr, Cu, I, Fe, Pb, Mn, Also note the Hg, Mo, Ni, Sb, Se, Zn or URANIUM? See attached batch analysis of fluoridating chemical from SEQWater in South East Queensland, note the ‘fluoridating’ chemical is labelled to be – ANALYSIS OF FLUOROSILICATE SAMPLES.  Also note the Incitec Pivot batch analysis of labelled FLUOROSILICIC ACID i.e. H2SiF6.  Incitec Pivot is a fertiliser company.

Please advise the safe limit for ingestion of Arsenic, lead, mercury, barium & URANIUM for babies, immune compromised people, the elderley & hospitalised people generally over long term use of fluoridated water.

Please explain how a ‘fluoridating’ batch of legislated therefore ‘legal’ Na2SiF6 or H2SiF6 comes to have all the toxic carcinogenic chemicals, heavy metals in, when it is only supposed to have Na, F, Si & H.

Question 1. From the Water Fluoridation Regulation 2008:

5 Forms of fluoride—Act, s 12(a)
        For the Act, section 12(a), the forms of fluoride that a public potable water supplier for a public potable water supply may add to the water supply are the following—

        (a) sodium fluoride (NaF);

        (b) sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6);

        (c) fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6);

        (d) naturally occurring fluoride contained in a source of water in which the concentration of fluoride is higher than the maximum concentration, for the water supply, under section 4A.”

Question 2. From page 4 of the “Code of Practice for the Fluoridation of Public Water Supplies” –

The fluoride compounds permitted under the Fluoridation of Public Water Supplies Regulation 1998 are listed below, together with their alternative names. The names listed
in the Regulation have been used throughout this Code to avoid confusion.
Fluoride compound Formula Alternative names
Disodium hexafluorosilicate       Na2SiF6       Sodium fluorosilicate, sodium silicofluoride
Hexafluorosilicic acid                  H2SiF6          Hydrofluorosilicic acid, fluorosilicic acid
Sodium fluoride                           NaF

Question 3. From page 8-6 of the “Australian Drinking Water Guidelines” –
Hydrofluorosilicic acid      H2SiF6         1983     Fluoridation
(fluorosilicic acid)
Sodium fluoride               NaF               1983    Fluoridation

Sodium fluorosilicate        Na2SiF6        1983    Fluoridation

I apologise for the laymans language used above, as I am not a toxocologist, scientist, doctor or dentist. I trust the meaning is clear though.

Please ring me on the number below for any explanation.
I look forward to your response

Yours sincerely,
Leigh H (QLD)
(
Phone number given to ABC, but withheld for ASWLA posting).

ATTACHMENTS x 2: Adelaide F test
~~~~~

#11. Well so much for that – Catalyst managed to make fluoride sound like the best thing since sliced bread and show up the anti’s as idiots.

Good move asking a man with false teeth about fluoride!

No mention of Fluorosis, NO mention of where our fluoride comes from, NO mention of the ‘individual’ dose being impossible to monitor…

just the usual spin and garbage of fluoride promoters.  Wonder how much and by whom, was Catalyst was PAID for that program!!!

Also, it was said that Townsville was the only fluoridated town in Queensland before mandation – what happened to Dalby, Mareeba, and Moranbah???

Carol S. (QLD)
Angry smilie 3

~~~~~

#13.   Archive this:

FUCK THESE CUNTS.

Name withheld. (VIC)

~~~~~

#14. Might pay to find out who or what was paid to 2 for BS and who was taken out to dinner.

How about a complaint to the Journalist Union or whatever on the ethics of the reporter and to the communications minister on the Bias …

Anonomous (VIC).

~~~~~

# 15.  CONTACT LIST FOR THE MEDIA:   Australian media contact list
Name withheld (QLD)
~~~~~
#16. BIASED “DR.WHO-FOLEY”To the Responsible Authority,I am an avid watcher of most things ABC and also a listener on Radio ABC; however, last night on channel surfing and coming across the Catalyst program have to say that as far as authenticity goes, this program lost me.  Obesity wise I enjoyed the comments and felt they were more fair than otherwise reported in other media outlets, questionning chemicals and sugar contained in our every day life.The Michael Foley Show was the most biased reporting I have ever seen.

To suggest that a little poison doesn’t hurt us is an analogy which should ring alarm bells.  I do not drink tap water, unfortunately I have to shower in this filth, which causes me discomfort, but I have other friends much worse off than I.Michael Foley has an inflated ego, for him to state he is a Health Professional is very misleading; isn’t he a dentist? Which is only a mouth professional.  So how dare he remonstrate with governments and ridicule councillors who listen to their populace’ concerns?Poison of any sort can build up in our organs, but what is most misleading is the fact that systemically we are ingesting far more than just fluoride.  This chemical flocks to anything else in our plumbing systems so at the very least we are ingesting in some areas arsonic,cadmium,lead, etc. making us ill.I am a layperson and have read much about this pollutant and the worship placed upon it by dentists.  You also quoted NHMRC 2007, there is room for argument there, because the original report contained more information.  Sometimes the York Report is quoted and when one researches this, we hear that this has been taken out of context or used to the “PRO’S” advantage.Once again the media had a chance to do great justice to this subject “fluoride”; once again you fell short of the mark, propaganda is rife and as a sufferer I put you on notice to interview the real people who suffer.  If just a small % of the population are affected adversely, then surely it would be more humane to not expect the whole population to drink a poisonous cocktail.I also admonish you for treating Merilyn Haines with such disrespect; she is a lady who has helped so many people who suffer from this mindless attempt by government to rid themselves of a problem nuclear waste and communities having to pay for it. (More about follow the dollars).

Please allow people who are “proper scientists” to be interviewed and have an unbiased debate.  There are many examples I could send you however, attached is something I believe you should read.  As far as Australia is concerned I consider we are a ‘third world country’ when it comes to fluoridation.

Sincerely,
  Sandra C, Geelong (VIC)

BTW I was brought up in unfluoridated Geelong (70 years of age) have my own teeth.

~~~~~

# 17. I would like to say that you owe the Anti Fluoride Group the right of reply to this obnoxious untrue report on Catalyst last night.

You only have to refer to the graph put out a couple of years ago ( made up from Government figures) showing that when Townsville was the only fluoridated town in Queensland, that State had no more and in some cases less tooth problems than the other States.
I suggest if you have not already done so to watch the Firewater video and Paul Connetts video of one of his very well attended meetings in Australia.  Not only that, Weary Dunlop was very much against Fluoride stating that symptoms could take up to 30 years to show up, and several Nobel Prize winners for health have come out fighting against fluoridation.
Please do your homework and really research the number of peer reviewed articles on the problems of fluoridation.
Think about the increase in the number of people who now have severe kidney problems, diabetics and other serious illnesses, I read a couple of years ago that the number of people on dialysis was eight fold in comparison to the previous 10 years, and diabetes has grown way out of proportion. Of course no one would even consider it could be fluoridation that is causing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If fluoridation is so wonderful for teeth, why is Western Australia and Tasmania among the first to fluoride in dental chaos.  So much so that Bob Brown demanded a Government fund like Medibank to help fix the dental problem in Tasmania.  How is this possible if fluoridation is the answer to good dental health.
I can certainly send you copies of these but I am sure Merilyn Haines would have already done so.  Please do the right thing and GIVE US THE RIGHT OF REPLY in the very near future.
Yours in disgust

BETTE S Red Cliffs (VIC)

~~~~~
# 18. [Fluoride-Free-WA] Response to last night’s pro-fluoridation article on ABC1’s Catalyst

When we heard that Catalyst (ABC1 last night, 8 pm Thursday 8th August) – was doing a story on water fluoridation tonight we were concerned  that  it would be  very one –sided  biased  promotion of water fluoridation, especially when it was  pre-promoted as “ how it protects your  teeth “

When we heard that Catalyst was interviewing Qld Health Dentist Michael Foley and Prof Michael Moore, both very ardent lobbyists for fluoridation, and we were flatly ignored when we offered to be interviewed to provide an alternative view point, we were certain that it would one sided.

Michael Foley has traveled the length and breadth of Qld promoting continuing forced fluoridation to councils. In his presentations he even claims that fluoride is an essential nutrient. Michael Moore, a toxicologist, has written to every council in Qld urging them to continue forced fluoridation.

Michael Foley was given open slather by Catalyst – he claimed that a 1996 study showed there was a massive difference between tooth decay in  fluoridated Townsville and unfluoridated Brisbane . The study actually showed for children aged  6 to 12 years  the  average difference was only 0.23 of one tooth surface ( when there are over a hundred tooth surfaces in a child’s mouth).  The authors conceded that this difference in tooth decay in  children’s permanent teeth  was almost insignificant, yet Michael Foley claimed this was a massive difference.

The very pro-fluoride Centre for Disease Control in the USA has for a number of years acknowledged that the main action of fluoride is topical (touches teeth) rather than systemic  (swallowed).  This poses a problem for fluoridation promoters because toothpaste used for a  topical effect  (with 1000 ppm fluoride  has a 1000 times more fluoride than fluoridated water. If 1ppm had a significant topical effect then toothpaste manufacturers would only have to make toothpaste with 1ppm fluoride, instead, in recent years they have introduced  toothpaste with 5000 ppm.  Michael Foley however, incredulously claimed that water fluoridation had some systemic effect, but a much greater topical effect.

Michael Moore quoted that the NHMRC 2007 Fluoride review as having 5,500 studies (it actually only INCLUDED 113 studies) and he neglected to mention that it was largely based on the 2000 York University Review. Prof Trevor Sheldon the Chair of the York Review, wrote to the House of Lords complaining about Medical and Dental Assn misusing the findings of the York Review. The York University review certainly didn’t find fluoridation was safe.

Michael Moore also quoted one paper on Osteosarcoma (which used cancer patients as their normal controls) but certainly didn’t quote the 2006  Osteosarcoma study by Bassin et al, the finding linking exposure of boys in childhood to water fluoridation to increased  risk of later developing Osteosarcoma,  have never been refuted and still hold.

If you didn’t see this Catalyst program, the transcript can be read and Vodcast can be viewed HERE

If you feel, as we do that Catalyst story was very biased, you might wish to do or more of the following

(1) put a comment  on the bottom of the Catalyst story on the website

(2) send an email to Catalyst catalyst@your.abc.net.au 

(3) or  complain to Media Watch mediawatch@your.abc.net.au 

(4) even possibly  put a complaint on ABC website Audience & Consumer Complaints http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm

Never forget that this argument is not about whether or not water fluoridation has some small statistical benefit when dealing with tooth decay in children. It is about whether it is ethical for the state to allow industrial waste chemicals to be dumped into to your drinking water supply, medicating you with an uncontrolled dosage of a toxin that has proven multiple adverse effects on humans.

If we’re wrong then 96% of countries in the world are also wrong and have been since this first started in the USA over 60 years ago, and here in Australia 50 years ago.

~~~~~
# 19. Yep drivel. Personally I am sick of weak party line reporting by the news media. That is in fact the heart of the problem. If you actually objectively reported the drivel they spew vs the current state of knowledge then everyone would laugh them out of town.While flying across the outback of AU back in 1997 my wife and I once landed in a small town. The taxi from the airport was driven by the lady who owns the motel and she told me an interesting story.A few years earlier a fellow had arrived from the government to see about fluoridating their water supply. A couple of residents explained that if he wanted to survive his visit to Roma he’d be gone before sunup. He was and they didn’t have fluoridation.I’ll bet they came back later.Dave K. (USA)
~~~~~

# 20. From: AFAM Research Division
Date: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Subject: Principles of Toxicology?
To: m.moore@uq.edu.auDear Professor Moore,

In last night’s Catalyst program, on water fluoridation, you were quoted as follows:
“It goes back to one of the fundamental precepts of toxicology – the dose makes the poison. You take a lot of it, you get poisoned. If you take the right amount, it keeps you well. Have too little, you’ve got a problem.”

I agree, but how is the dose controlled for the patients (i.e. the consumers of public drinking water) when they are drinking uncontrolled amounts of water, and also receiving fluoride from other sources?

Without this control over dose, how is an adequate margin of safety calculated to protect the entire spectrum of the population, from infants, to the elderly, to the sick?

Furthermore, I was under the impression that in pharmacology, the right dose needs to be delivered to the right person, to treat the right condition, at the right time. How is this possible when the substance for treatment is added to public drinking water supplies?

Sincerely,

The Administrator
AFAM Research Division
afamildura.wordpress.com

~~~~~

# 21. From the transcript: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3821248.htm

Dr Denis Ingham It is very effective, and has been very effective in reducing tooth decay. ………..

NARRATION So it’s clear that water fluoridation works. But, how exactly? Teeth are the hardest substance in the body, primarily made up of a mineral called ‘hydroxylapatite’.  Fluoride, either in water or toothpaste, gets absorbed into the tooth enamel and forms a new, stronger mineral called ‘fluorapatite’.

Dr Michael Foley And that stronger mineral is then more resistant to the acid that causes tooth decay. Remember Mrs Marsh used to talk about, ‘It gets in like liquid gets into this chalk’?

Mrs Marsh It gets right into teeth, like this liquid gets into chalk.

Boy To make teeth really tough.

Dr Michael Foley Well, she was right. It strengthens the enamel, makes it much, much more resistant to acid. With fluoridated water, of course, you get both – you get the systemic benefit for little kiddies, and you get the much greater topical effect. You’re always getting a little bit of a top-up. It’s like a little fluoride treatment lots and lots of times during the day to make your teeth stronger.

The essence of the story – fluoride is absorbed by teeth via contact — not ingested and absorbed by the stomach

Harry G. (QLD)
~~~~~
# 22. Please do some research before telling the public, Government spin and lies:http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/idUS127920+24-Jul-2012+PRN20120724
Name withheld (VIC)

~~~~~

# 23. To whom it may concern,

I am disgusted with the total and unconcerned bias demonstrated by Catalyst in regards to Fluoridation. There was no attempt to discover even minimum basis in fact the reality of what your guest had to say. Once again a true perversion of the actual results of these studies was given and the false conclusion given that Fluoridation, otherwise known as Mass Medication, is vital for Dental Health. You should be not only embarrassed but also in the future legally liable for the continued illness, neural damage and death resulting  from Fluoridation.

Yours sincerely
Tracey MacKenzie

~~~~~

#24

I’m glad this subject is getting media attention BUT – Foley & Moore!!!
Fucking wankers they need to pull their head from their arses & look @ the bigger picture!!!!
 Who paid Michael Moore to say what he said???
So if i have a sprinkle of arsenic & lead, pinch of mercury, uranium & cadmium, with a dash of aluminium on my breakfast every day i’ll be ok!!!
According to Moore anything in small doses is safe??? Please don’t insult my intelligence, & he’s the toxicologist!!!
No wonder Australia has the highest cancer rate in the world.
NHMRC – they’d have to be morons, where does their research come from??? Considering they have never tested anyone for fluoride sensitivity etc!!!
Name withheld (Geelong, VIC).
~~~~~

Please send your comments… and ASWLA will keep archiving.~~~~~

Advertisements

15 comments on “RE: THE PUBLIC SPEAK – ABC ‘Catalyst’ Water fluoridation – One long thread

  1. Why is it that it is legal for those in authority to force the citizens of Australia to be medicated against their free will with the poison, the by product of industry, to be in our drinking water underminding our health and well being. One of the isidious outcomes of consuming this toxic cocktail is the diminshed mental capacity of consumers and the attitude of “she’ll be right mate”, it dulls the brain and people become more docile as a result, like lambs to the saughter. It is very common to see the mottled white on the teeth of the children of today, an increase in associated illness’ and heath conditions. This raises the question, who benefits the most here, i guess, follow the money trail., the sickness industry. Just a thought, that’s all.

    • To All Australian Health Departments, Councils and All Ors. promoting the chronic poisoning of our population, animals and environment via ‘water fluoridation’, we say to you:-

      Anti-fluoridationists (Anti-hazardous waste poisoning) are a group of sensible, caring and intelligent people against the chronic poisoning of our population, animals and environment.

      Drinking, eating & bathing in hazardous waste known as water fluoridation
      Hydrofluoric Acid – Acutely toxic chemical
      http://www-esh.fnal.gov/

      Explaining the truth about “water fluoridation” and the phosphate mining industry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZ15m-D_n8&feature=share

      FLUORIDATION CHEMICALS
      http://afamildura.wordpress.com/fluoridation-chemicals/

      Fluosilicic Acid. TOXNET profile from Hazardous Substances Data Base http://www.fluoridealert.org/

      The Chemistry of Water Fluoridation – What is Water Fluoridation? http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/

      “Physiologic Conditions Affect Toxicity of Ingested Industrial Fluoride,” Journal of Environmental and Public Health, vol. 2013, Article ID 439490, 13 pages, 2013. Richard Sauerheber, doi:10.1155/2013/439490. Available online at: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jeph/2013/439490/
      ~~

      Also see information hereunder on our indigenous people – silicofluorides – crime & violence & kidney disease:-

      All those responsible for this will one day all be held accountable and responsible for  this willful, arrogant  and reckless negligence regarding the chronic poisoning (via water fluoridation/pollution of our water supplies and hence food chain) of our population, animals and environment.

      Our Australian Health Departments are an absolute disgrace and a danger to the health and safety of our population.

      Remember the foods, drinks etc. made in Australia are polluted with these hazardous waste and co-contaminants as every State in Australia is polluted with this hazardous waste known as ‘water fluoridation’.

      The hazardous waste pollution of our water supplies, food chain and environment – this concerns us all – we must all demand that water fluoridation/pollution with hazardous waste, end as a matter of urgency and for all time.

      The people who don’t follow like sheep, do not believe anyone in the DENTAL INDUSTRY and their interests that the dumping/disposing into the water supplies and hence also contaminating our food chain of dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants fluorosilicic acid/silicofluorides and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc., aka water fluoridation chemicals, is good for teeth, brains, organs and bodies – to believe this, you would need your ‘head read’.

      For the truth see REPORT Brief Overview of water fluoridation/pollution etc., hereunder; and remember, pro-fluoride fanatics will continue to say and do anything to keep the cities/states ‘fluoridated’ – and their Bovine Excreta of their untrue chant of it being safe and effective is willfully and recklessly negligent. Australia wide in dental crisis after widespread fluoridation in every State, first commencing Beaconsfield, Tasmania in 1953 = likewise USA in dental crisis after widespread ‘fluoridation’ first beginning in 1945 Grand Rapids Michigan.

      Water fluoridation/pollution with hazardous waste fluorosilicic acid/silicofluorides & co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc. (plus they add aluminium sulphate to this hazardous waste soup) is not safe and not effective and all those continuing with this dangerous fraud of WF had better stop. No one has the right to treat, medicate, drug, chronically poison/pollute anyone especially without informed consent (or refusal) or to pollute our food chain and environment).

      REPORT: Brief Overview of Water Fluoridation/Pollution – 11 September, 2013 Diane Drayton Buckland
      http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/brief-overview-of-water-fluoridation_pollution-11-september-2013-diane-drayton-buckland1.pdf

      REPORT: 100% fluoridated Kentucky, USA – Rampant Dental Decay & chronic disease epidemic – DDB http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/rampant-dental-decay-chronic-disease-epidemic-in-100-fluoridated-kentucky-usa-13-aug-2013-ddb.pdf

      REPORT: Can Dentists & Doctors be trusted when they say Water Fluoridation is Safe & Effective?
      http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/can-dentists-doctors-be-trusted-when-they-say-water-fluoridation-is-safe-effective.pdf

      Some Health Effects: http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/health-effects/

      REPORT: Download Full Report >
      http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/report-water-fluoridation-pollution-must-end-diane-drayton-buckland-independent-researcher-14th-january-2013.pdf

      Website: http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/fia-report-archives/

      Aboriginals have even worse effects from fluorides than caucasians including the kidneys:-
      NOTE: This article makes no reference to fluorides but does show Aboriginals are at high risk for renal disease!
      Kidney Int. 2006 Jul;70(1):104-10. Epub 2006 May 24.
      Reduced nephron number and glomerulomegaly in Australian Aborigines: a group at high risk for renal disease and hypertension. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16723986

      Silicofluorides (Water Fluoridation Chemicals)
       http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/violencecriminality/silicofluorides-water-fluoridation-chemicals/
      Aboriginal Prison Rates – Violence and Crime – Kidney Disease – Silicofluorides (Water Fluoridation Chemicals) http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/aboriginal-prison-rates-violence-crime-silicofluorides-water-fluoridation-chemicals2.pdf

      Australia wide in dental crisis after widespread fluoridation in every State, first commencing Beaconsfield, Tasmania in 1953 = likewise USA in dental crisis after widespread ‘fluoridation’ first beginning in 1945 Grand Rapids Michigan

      ~~
      Water Fluoridation an absolute fraud and failure:-

      Australia in dental crisis after widespread fluoridation Australia wide for decades first commencing Beaconsfield Tasmania in 1953 (also in dental crisis and chronically diseased) and USA also in dental crisis after up to 67 years of water fluoridation/pollution first commencing Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1945 (also in dental crisis – Kentucky USA l00% fluoridated also in dental crisis and chronically diseased). It’s a no-brainer – dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants & co-contaminants have no place being disposed/dumped into the peoples’ water supplies and hence also contaminating/polluting our food chain. All water fluoridation (pollution) must cease immediately & irrevocably for all time.

      27th February, 2013 – Tasmania will receive an extra $12 million from Federal Government to reduce public dental waiting lists. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-27/extra-dental-dollars-to-reduce-waiting-lists/4542450?section=tas
      POOR ORAL HEALTH PUTTING HOSPITALS UNDER PRESSURE – TASMANIA -26 Feb, 2012
      http://www.examiner.com.au/story/431159/poor-oral-health-putting-hospitals-under-pressure/

      DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IN DECAY
      Dr Deborah Cole is chief executive officer of Dental Health Services Victoria. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/a-system-in-decay-20120107-1ppd0.html

      Geelong – fluoridated/polluted June, 2009
      GEELONG kids will have more to smile about thanks to a multi-million-dollar State Government plan to tackle tooth decay and gum disease. Health Minister launched the $14.9 million public dental plan, aimed at improving the oral health of young people across the state. http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2013/05/29/366034_news_pf.html

      REPORT WARNS $10B NEEDED TO FIX DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM February 28, 2012 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-28/national-dental-health-opens-denticare-debate/3856134

      Widespread water fluoridation/pollution Australia wide – an Abysmal Failure – Not Effective and not safe:- Millions to get free care under $4 Billion dental reform package – 29 August, 2012
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-29/plibersek-unveils-4b-dental-reform-package/4230196

      NSW 96% ‘FLUORIDATED’ – Sydney since 1968 DENTAL CRISIS EXPOSES GREAT DIVIDE February 15, 2005
      Public dental health in NSW is in a state of serious neglect, with some patients waiting 8 years for attention & the number of children needing hospital treatment doubling over the past decade.
      http://www.smh.com.au/news/Health/Dental-crisis-exposes-great-divide/2005/02/14/1108229934499.html

      50% of Children have tooth decay in Australia yet, Australia is almost fully fluoridated. How about we stop consuming sugar in everything, reduce dental costs and educate children/people to daily oral healthcare instead of dumping industrial waste into water supplies and hence also contaminating our food chain.
      http://www.cosmeticdentistryguide.co.uk/news/more-than-50-of-children-have-tooth-decay-in-australia-9526

      Fluoridation Fails – alarming rise in dental hospitalizations U.S. 10th September, 2013 Despite decades of water fluoridation and fluoridated toothpaste that was supposed to all but eradicate tooth decay and put dentists out of business, the opposite is true. From 2000 to 2008, more than 61,000 people were hospitalized in the U.S. for a dental abscess, a 41% increase. The burden on Medicaid to pay for discharges related to periapical abscesses has jumped 74%. Sixty-six patients died while in the hospital. http://www.topix.com/business/dental/2013/09/1309098IGFUV Full story: http://www.drbicuspid.com
      An Australian Example of Fluoridation Dictatorship
      http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fluoride/2011/AFN_2011N1_JanMar_AquaPura.pdf#page=5

      2007 The Australian Fluoridation News – Is there a case of Government Fraud?
      http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fluoride/2007/AFN_2007N4_JulAug_AquaPura.pdf

      REPORT: 100% fluoridated Kentucky, USA – Rampant Dental Decay & chronic disease epidemic – DDB
      http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/rampant-dental-decay-chronic-disease-epidemic-in-100-fluoridated-kentucky-usa-13-aug-2013-ddb.pdf

      Can Dentists & Doctors be trusted when they say Water Fluoridation is Safe & Effective?
      http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/can-dentists-doctors-be-trusted-when-they-say-water-fluoridation-is-safe-effective.pdf

      The only answer EVER was to provide access to affordable dental health care services for all the population, not the disposal of hazardous waste pollutants and co-contaminants known as water fluoridation; into our drinking water supplies and hence also the contamination of our food chain and using the populations’ kidneys as hazardous waste disposal/filtration units.

      ~~
      One can assume that you can’t get a better cash cow than a chronically sick and diseased population (including our pets) and ‘dental crisis – (damaged teeth)’ from years, decades, lifetimes of consuming ( in everything we eat drink and bathe in) dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants, fluorosilicic acid/silicofluorides and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc.. (also added in this hazardous waste soup is aluminium sulphate). What a bloody disgrace this Fluoridation Fraud/Web of Deception is. I just finished some more information today on Australia’s Kidney disease epidemic – fluoride and aluminium toxic/neurotoxic to kidneys & brain ! Many people don’t even think about cancer and these dangerous chemicals either !! The people must rise up and demand this chronic poisoning of population & environment stop urgently and for all time.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      The IAOMT performed the task of reviewing fluoride in a comprehensive, scientific and unbiased manner in accordance with criteria established to assure the protection of the public safety. The International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology review of fluoride and resulting PHG of zero is the only acceptable systemic exposure level to this common xenobiotic. http://iaomt.guiadmin.com/wp-content/uploads/article_IAOMT-Fluoridation-Position.pdf

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      This video has Dr David Kennedy DDS speaking about how the EPA was ordered to
      lie about the safety of water fluoridation because it was/is bought and sold
      by industry: Water Fluoridation Regulations Are Based on Lies

      ~~

      Also let us clarify something regarding FLUORIDE ACTION NETWORK (Professor Paul Connett) website http://www.fluoridealert.org – FAN seeks to broaden awareness about the toxicity of fluoride compounds among citizens, scientists, and policymakers alike. FAN not only provides comprehensive and up-to-date information, but remains vigilant in monitoring government agency actions that impact the public’s exposure to fluoride.

      
I am sure many will be disturbed by the actions of the ADA and when this first happened some years ago, it certainly was disturbing to all Truth Seekers; the lengths to which some pro-fluoride fanatics go, in this case, please note that after Fluoride Action Network and the dot org domain was originally secured (fluoridealert.org ) and before Fluoride Action Network could secure the domain name fluoridealert.com – that the American Dental Association (allegedly) deviously many say, swooped in and ‘nicked’ the fluoridealert.com domain name of Fluoride Action Network’s fluoridealert.org

      So to re-clarify this ‘interesting’ piece of pro-fluoride ‘manoeuvering’/deception by the ADA:-

      Fluoride Action Network Professor Paul Connett http://www.fluoridealert.org


      American Dental Association (who allegedly) ‘nicked’ the dot com http://www.fluoridealert.com

      I guess that’s a pretty effective way to impede people and researchers getting truth !

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  2. Contrary to what the Australian pro lobby is saying most countries are stopping fluoridation. I noticed one thing that was left out by Catalyst was any mention of the European High Court Decision …… the court concluded it was not a food additive based on the pro lobbyist own advice. It is a medicine and there were other alternatives available i.e. tablets, gels, fluoridated toothpaste available if someone wishes to ingest it. As a medicine it required greater accountability and transparency and to ensure that the Patient received the recommended dose; something that can never be achieved by adding it to the drinking water. I was in hospital a couple of years ago and was discussing fluoridation and the doctor said he supported it as helping save teeth. I said I would not debate him on medical grounds as I was not qualified but would ague with logic. I asked did he agree that since fluoridation there has been a marked increase in brittle bones among the elderly. He agreed that there was evidence to support that. My next question was “when did the brittle bone syndrome commence? childhood, teens or adulthood.
    I had looked research material to clarify that question in Australia. I then suggested that when I was young and played a little football I believe they played pretty rough but I never heard much about broken bones. That was fairly rare. If we accept that then the question of when brittleness commenced implied it was likely at a very young age and the major and real damage showed up in the elderly. Broken bones and strains has not been considered as something that fluoride contributed. I have asked for some research being done into this but governments don’t want to fund it.
    I also suggested to the doctor that because governments have cut down funding for dental, medical, etc. care; teeth might be slightly damaged become serious damaged by the time people get to the dentist. That is the greater shame in Australia and that the population has to suffer from bad policies that have been influenced by vested interests

  3. Your bias for fluoridation is revealed again by the four links below the program’s transcript which are all to pro-fluoridation information.

    You were pre-warned that Dr Foley would be likely to make his 45% difference/benefit claim for fluoridated Townsville when compared with a non-fluoridated Brisbane (1996). He did. But neither you nor Dr Foley reported that the 45% ‘benefit’/difference amounted to about an average difference of 0.23 of one tooth surface out of a mouth full of teeth surfaces in children aged from 5 to 12 years.

    Having been pre-warned, it would have been possible for the show’s host to cut in – after Dr Foley mentioned the 45% – and add something about what the 45% related to – such as a clinically insignificant difference and that the effects of fluoride are now known to be largely topical (on the teeth) and not systemic.

    You could have told viewers that they should weigh for themselves whether they were prepared to drink – from the cradle to the grave – an industrial-grade cocktail of “fluoride” with heavy metals and metalloids in it; some of which are carcinogens and many of which are cumulative – on the off chance that it might save about one tooth surface, per person.

    You could have put the link, which was given to you, to the Hamilton City Council’s 4-day Fluoridation Tribunal Hearings along with your 4 pro-fluoridation links so that your listeners could judge for themselves the calibre of the information disseminated by both side of the fluoridation divide; or the link to Dr Anna Goodwin’s 11.32-minute video in which she, a medical oncologist, speaks out against fluoridation.

    Shame. Shame. Shame. Please refund my 8 (?) cents per day, thank you very much.

  4. Let me remind those numbnuts at ABC Catalyst – you like other mainstream Australian media are a bloody disgrace to what was once journalism with integrity – now you are nothing but corporate whores – now listen up:-

    The disgrace of the Fluoridation Fraud/Fluoridation Dictatorship must end now !

    NO SAFETY DATA EXISTS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD
    http://dianabuckland.webs.com/nosafetydatafl.htm
    How could it? we were not meant to consume in everything we eat, drink and bathe in S6,S7 poisons/Corrosive 8 hazardous waste pollutants fluorosilicic acid/silicofluorides and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium etc. (sourced from phosphate mining & aluminium smelting) & added also is aluminium sulphate. The dental crisis in USA & Australia after up to 67 and up to 59 years respectively of water fluoridation/pollution prove it’s an absolute shocking fraud and failure.

    The only answer EVER was to provide access to affordable dental health care services for all the population, not the disposal of hazardous waste pollutants and co-contaminants known as water fluoridation; into our drinking water supplies and hence also the contamination of our food chain and using the populations’ kidneys as hazardous waste disposal/filtration units.  Stop this chronic poisoning of the population, pets and environment immediately.

    It is absolutely obscene that The Fluoridation Dictatorship has been allowed to continue by successive State and Federal Governments and an urgent ban must be implemented immediately and irrevocably on all water fluoridation.

    After decades of water fluoridation /pollution Australia wide, (first commencing Beaconsfield, Tasmania in 1953 (Tasmanians also also have worst dental health in the nation and population are chronically diseased) Australia is in dental crisis, as is the USA after up to 67 years of water fluoridation/pollution first commencing Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1945.

    This Propaganda from Dr. Young IS TOTALLY UNTRUE:- Dr Jeannette Young, Queensland Health, Chief Health Officer said fluoridation was one of the few areas in medicine that was “absolutely black and white” and pointed to Townsville as a prime example. “Townsville has had fluoride in its water supply since 1964 and the only difference between Townsville and the rest of the state was that they had far better teeth,” she said. “Numerous studies have shown kids in Townsville have between 40-60% less tooth decay.”

    Water fluoridation (pollution with hazardous waste is a fraud, not safe and not effective);  
    NOW FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT TOWNSVILLE :- go here > http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/ama-ada-dentists/ada-usa-au-ama/

    See documents under Townsville – read everything but take particular note in the Response to claims Townsville fluoridated since 1965 residents have been guinea pigs for fluoridation – note the Media Release from Minister for Tourism, Regional Development and Industry Dec. 4, 2007 –
    !!!!!!!! TOWNSVILLE SCHOOL KIDS TO TRIAL A TREATMENT TO STOP TOOTH ROT !!!!!! (they’ve had water fluoridation/pollution since 1965 !!!) and this is in addition to having multiple dental vans visiting the schools and a very lucrative DENTAL INDUSTRY – get the picture??

    Townsville Dental Company buys stadium name rights Feb. 19, 2013 http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2013/02/19/375754_news.html

    and then see here >  http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/ama-ada-dentists/fluoridation-more-dentists/

    Also from Document by Glen Walker The Fluoridation Hoax Box – How Dangerous Can they Get? November – Dec. 2004 – Brief Extract: When the Brisbane Lord Mayor’s Task Force researched fluoridation during 1997 the ADA presented their claims which were supported with a study by Spencer, Davies, Stewart and Slade (Adelaide University) .
    “Caries experiences among children in fluoridated Townsville and unfluoridated Brisbane” Published in Australian and New Zealand journal of Public Health 1966. Vol. 20 No. 6.
    Reading their 7 page official dossier presented to The Lord Mayor’s Task Force on Fluoridation, one finds on page 1:
    “Riordon reported on 11-12 year olds with different fluoride exposures in West Australia. “
    “He found higher caries prevalence in the permanent dentition in children in unfluoridated Bunbury than in children in fluoridated Perth”.
    So, on page one we find this study comparing populations of significant differences, a matter of failure to comply with rules of statistics which state such studies must be performed only with very similar populations.
    It is not scientifically acceptable to compare populations of such differences as Perth 1,244,320, Bunbury 28,000, and also at the same time be aware and consider the socio-economic factor that was also significantly different.
    Their main dental data related to Brisbane and Townsville, but here again we find a scientific and statistical error in comparing two cities of such different population and socio-economic differences.
    The population Factor
    Brisbane 1,000,000 – Townsville 90,000
    However, the authors after attempting a favourable fluoridation outcome with the Lord Mayor’s Task Force, expected the Committee to vote accordingly to fluoridate Brisbane’s drinking water supplies. The quality of their presentation collapsed on the final page of their “Research”.
    “A difference of 0.25 (one quarter) surface in the permanent dentition probably constitutes a minor effect at the level of an individual patient in the age range studied here”.
    On this kind of official dental study showing a difference of one quarter of a tooth surface per child, we now find the fluoride pushers want another similar study in Brisbane (Courier Mail 21st July, 2004).
    http://www.fluoridationfacts.com/ausfnews/novdec04/041200_hoax_box.htm

    ~~
    Australia in dental crisis after widespread fluoridation Australia wide for decades first commencing Beaconsfield Tasmania in 1953 and USA also in dental crisis after up to 67 years of water fluoridation/pollution first commencing Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1945 (also in dental crisis – Kentucky USA l00% fluoridated also in dental crisis). It’s a no-brainer – dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants & co-contaminants have no place being dumped in the peoples’ water supplies & hence also contaminating entire food chain. All State Gov’s. & Federal Gov. (& Councils) must cease water fluoridation (pollution) immediately & irrevocably.

    Tasmania first fluoridated in 1953 worst dental health & in dental crisis (as is Australia wide) – 27th February, 2013 – Tasmania will receive an extra $12 million from Federal Government to reduce public dental waiting lists. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-27/extra-dental-dollars-to-reduce-waiting-lists/4542450?section=tas

    Note Tasmania first fluoridated in 1953 POOR ORAL HEALTH PUTTING HOSPITALS UNDER PRESSURE – TASMANIA
    BY JODIE STEPHENS 26 Feb, 2012
    http://www.examiner.com.au/story/431159/poor-oral-health-putting-hospitals-under-pressure/

    DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IN DECAY
    Dr Deborah Cole is chief executive officer of Dental Health Services Victoria. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/a-system-in-decay-20120107-1ppd0.html

    Geelong – fluoridated/polluted June, 2009
    GEELONG kids will have more to smile about thanks to a multi-million-dollar State Government plan to tackle tooth decay and gum disease.
    Health Minister David Davis yesterday launched the $14.9 million public dental plan, aimed at improving the oral health of young people across the state. http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2013/05/29/366034_news_pf.html
    REPORT WARNS $10B NEEDED TO FIX DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM February 28, 2012 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-28/national-dental-health-opens-denticare-debate/3856134

    NSW 96% ‘FLUORIDATED’ – Sydney since 1968 DENTAL CRISIS EXPOSES GREAT DIVIDE By Jonathan Pearlman and Gerard Ryle February 15, 2005
    Public dental health in NSW is in a state of serious neglect, with some patients waiting eight years for attention and the number of children needing hospital treatment doubling over the past decade.
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/Health/Dental-crisis-exposes-great-divide/2005/02/14/1108229934499.html

    50% of Children have tooth decay in Australia.
    Yet, Australia is almost fully fluoridated.
    How about we stop consuming sugar in everything, reduce dental costs, and educate children/people to daily oral healthcare instead of dumping industrial waste into water…..
    http://www.cosmeticdentistryguide.co.uk/news/more-than-50-of-children-have-tooth-decay-in-australia-9526

    INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE IN SOCIETY Science Society Sustainability
    NO TO FLUORIDATION – 
DENTAL DISEASE INCREASES SIX‐FOLD BY FLUORIDATION http://www.i-sis.org.uk/NotoFluoridation.php

    AUSTRALIAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION INC. POLICY STATEMENT
    COMMUNITY ORAL HEALTH PROMOTION FLUORIDE USE
    Extract: 2 Policy
. 2.1 Water Fluoridation The Australian Dental Association recommends :
    2.1.5 That Governments must adopt water fluoridation as part of Health Policy and actively promote its introduction, where it is feasible, as a public health measure.
    Full document: ADA: “Governments MUST adopt water fluoridation as part of Health Policy and actively promote its introduction, where it is feasible, as a public health measure.”
    http://adaftp.com.au/POLICY/POLICYJune2012/Policy%20Statement%202.2.1%20Fluoride%20Use.pdf

    WHY DO THE ADA (& AMA) HAVE THE POLITICAL POWER AND CONTROL TO CHRONICALLY POISON A NATION?? With decade$ of water fluoridation/pollution and we are in dental crisis, why do you think the ADA & their associate$/intere$t$ continue with this fraud?

    It is absolutely obscene that The Fluoridation Dictatorship has been allowed to continue by successive State and Federal Governments and an urgent ban must be implemented immediately and irrevocably on all water fluoridation.
    ~~
    Convincing Canadian studies demonstrating water fluoridation’s questionable merit
     When public health or dentists claim more cavities are found in children when fluoridation is removed from drinking water, look to these Canadian studies to prove such claims are nothing more than hyperbole.
      
    Maupome´et al, Patterns of Dental Caries Following the Cessation of Water Fluoridation Dec 31, 2001 (Summary plus entire study)
    Clark et al, Changes in Dental Fluorosis Following the Cessation of Water Fluoridation Dec 31, 2006 (Summary plus entire study)
    Locker et al, Benefits and Risks of Water Fluoridation – Report to Ontario Ministry of Health & Health Canada Nov 15, 1999 (Summary plus entire study)
    ITO, Caledon and Brampton Study, Peel Region (2757 Determinants of Caries in Adjacent Fluoridated and Non-fluoridated Cities) Mar 21, 2007 (Summary plus entire study)
    Azarpazhooh, Oral Health Consequences of the Cessation of Water Fluoridation in Toronto, MSc Thesis Report, Faculty of Dentistry – University of Toronto, City of Toronto Public Health Aug 31, 2006  (Summary plus entire study)
    This research will be hard for any Canadian dentist or Canadian public health figure to ignore, because it is quality research, conducted by their own people, specific and relevant to Canada’s circumstance.
     Also See:
    Health Canada’s Dental Officer (Dr. Peter Cooney) Insists Water Fluoridation Is The Best Way To Reduce Cavities, While Research Conducted By Members Of Canada’s Expert Fluoridation Panel Shows Otherwise (Connecting the dots…)

    source: http://cof-cof.ca/convincing-canadian-studies-demonstrating-water-fluoridations-questionable-merit/
    ~~

    Dentists and WHO experts have predicted a very large caries increase (‘a tide of caries’) after termination of fluoridation.49
    Analyses of the data, however, reveal a significant DECREASE in dental caries (caries decline) after suspension of water fluoridation in Japan,49,54 in the Netherlands,55 in Prague,49,56 in the German Democratic Republic,49 and elsewhere.
    Never has any real increase in dental caries been observed after water fluoridation was discontinued.
    Furthermore, many fluoride tablet measures were stopped also.
    In Graz23 (Austria), for instance, the dental caries of children had increased during the fluoride tablet actions in schools since 1956 and decreased after the stop in 1973. Rudolf Ziegelbecker
    Peterstalstrasse 29 
A-8042 Graz; Austria 
From 1998 full information: http://www.fluoride-journal.com/98-31-3/313-171.htm (link now dead)
    +
    Germany – Rejection of Fluoridation of Drinking Water
    http://www.dvgw.de/fileadmin/dvgw/angebote/publikationen/infoschriften/wasserinfo34_e.pdf
    ~~
    AS THE FIRST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD – BELGIUM PROHIBITS FLUORIDE SUPPLEMENTS
July 29, 2002
    But the usefulness of fluoride has been doubted worldwide for a long time already. Over the years at least 12 Nobel Prize winners in Medicine and Chemistry have warned of the associated health risks. To make children take fluoride is not only useless against caries, it is plainly dangerous. Tooth and bone decalcification as a result of fluoride even has a name – fluorosis. Fluoride is very reactive and it goes deep into the bones and cells where it is accumulated. Yes, the tooth surface becomes much harder, but the tooth itself becomes more brittle. From a lot of research it seems that fluoride causes joint problems, skeletal deformations, osteoporosis, and that it can even cause bone cancer. Also the brain cannot escape from it. Fluoride has a negative influence on the nervous system and the immune system, and in children it can lead to (chronic) fatigue, a lower IQ, learning disabilities, lethargy and depression.
    Full information: http://www.nofluoride.com/BelgiumBan.cfm
    ~~

    Dentists have Controlled CDC’s Water Fluoridation Stance for over 35 Years…
    Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act show that since the 1970’s, the dental health professionals in the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) have completely controlled the agency’s stance supporting water fluoridation.  No CDC toxicologists, minority health professionals, experts in diabetes, or others outside the Oral Health Division had any input into the agency’s position.
    The documents have drawn attention once again to the CDC’s and EPA’s fluoride safety statements, which appear at odds with current scientific knowledge.
    According to the Fluoride Action Network: “Law firms are now reviewing old and new documents believed to highlight a pattern of attempts to curtail discussions on fluoride toxicity and downplay the importance of professionals personally reviewing scientific reports about fluorides.”
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/07/23/hidden-documents-reveal-cdc-fluoride-support-controlled-by-dentists.aspx

    ~~
    Dentists laughing all the way to the bank – more dentists than ever before & one filling will cost you anywhere between $150 & $400 depending on size FOR ONE FILLING !! you can only imagine the rest of the charges that more of the population are unable to afford – & Private Health Insurance becoming unaffordable for more of the population -& those who think hazardous waste pollutants & co-contaminants S6, S7 poison Corrosive 8 hazardous waste known as ‘fluoridation chemicals’ are good for your teeth and brain & body – you need to re-examine your thinking power. Potent neurotoxins, toxins & carcinogens that these are should have been banned decades ago. Those on Centrelink at least can get some help at Queensland (Australian) Government dentists but the waiting list is very long. Australia is in dental crisis after decades of water fluoridation/pollution first commencing in Beaconsfield Tasmania in 1953 & USA in dental crisis after first commencing in Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1945 – water fluoridation/pollution is a fraud – disposal of dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants into our drinking water supplies & hence contaminating our food chain has to be stopped for all time, the only answer ever was to provide access to affordable dental health care services for all the population, not the disposal of hazardous waste pollutants fluorosilicic acid/silicofluorides & co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium etc.. Chronically poisoning the population, pets & environment on the say so of Pro-fluoridation lobby groups with such political power, clout & control is obscene & should be criminal.
    ~~
    Fluoridation is an absolute Fraud and Failure. After decades of widespread fluoridation Australia wide in dental crisis (& USA in dental crisis also after up to 67 years of WF)- headlines such as DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IN DECAY – Dr Deborah Cole is chief executive officer of Dental Health Services Victoria/ REPORT WARNS $10B NEEDED TO FIX DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM February 28, 2012 and many more.
    The reputations and credibility of those pushing this hazardous waste known as ‘fluoridation’ will suffer if any of you continue with this chronic poisoning of the population, pets and environment with these hazardous waste pollutants fluorosilicic acid/silicoluorides and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc., known as ‘water fluoridation’. Many ask why are Dentists and their interests (not to mention Corporate sponsored Dental Schools at Universities !) fighting to the death to force to keep and/or add these dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants in our water supplies ( & hence food chain) if it is supposed to be so effective and reduce caries by anywhere between 30 & 60% – because it is not effective and not safe – these pollutants fluorosilicic acid, hexafluorosilicate being used in many industries such as glass etching, wood preservative, sterilization, electroplating, acidizing, rust removal in textile field, lead refining, tanneries, fluorosilicate salt, in veterinary fields to combat insect infestation. How anyone could be so gullible, complacent or dare I say uncaring that you ignore this and continue to put the population in Harm’s Way, you will live to regret such a shocking and negligent decision. We must all take action for the health and safety of our population and that is to call an immediate and irrevocable ban Queensland and Australia wide on every Fluoridation/pollution plant.

    The only answer EVER was to provide access to affordable dental health care services for all the population, not the disposal of hazardous waste pollutants and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc., from phosphate fertiliser industries (known as water fluoridation, plus they also add aluminium sulphate) into our drinking water supplies and hence also contaminating our food chain and using the populations’ kidneys as hazardous waste disposal/filtration units.

    An Australian Example of Fluoridation Dictatorship
    http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fluoride/2011/AFN_2011N1_JanMar_AquaPura.pdf#page=5    

    2007   The Australian Fluoridation News – Is there a case of Government Fraud?
    http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fluoride/2007/AFN_2007N4_JulAug_AquaPura.pdf 

    End the Fluoridation Dictatorship/Fraud now and ban water fluoridation urgently and irrevocably for all time.

  5. The stinking corporate controlled media as always spewing their garbage – not one of them will tell the truth about water fluoridation/pollution. Scum mainstream media are nothing but corporate whores.

    Slick Mick Teflon Foley – the crown of thorns piercing the health and safety of our entire population and environment with his spreading of pro-fluoridation propaganda in a filthy stinking web of deception involving all those in the Fluoridation Cartel and their chronic poisoning of us all and our environment.

    He was as usual shooting his mouth off even to the Japanese about how to push this hazardous waste known as ‘fluoridation’ on to a gullible and trusting population and the scumbags in Government who do anything for money continue to push this dangerously corrosive hazardous waste and co-contaminants (aka fluoridation) on most of us in Australia. Slick Mick has now withdrawn access from this document from the web for obvious reasons, but some of the information I had copied and pasted earlier and it is here > http://fluorideinformationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/the-government_s-slick-pr-propaganda-fluoride-man-slick-mick-teflon-foley1.pdf

    The “Government’s Slick PR Fluoride Man’ – ‘Slick Mick Teflon Foley” tells some great ‘Tooth Fairy Stories’.
    Now when you can wipe Slick Mick Teflon Foley’s Bullshit out of your eyes or off your glasses, the population can learn a lot about the truth of the hazardous waste known as water fluoridation by visiting Fluoride Information Australia > http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/fia-report-archives/
    and Anti-Fluoridation Association of Mildura here for up to date information – excellent > http://afamildura.wordpress.com/basics/

  6. I have to wonder what your agenda is, instead of a balanced discussion that intelligent adults have, you put forward a show that equals the childish remarks and actions of demented politicians.

    Your credibility and your journalists ethics really are pathetic in your not allowing a rebuttal of the fraudulent garbage you extol.

    Your dentists and doctors tell porkies and do not give the fully story about the “reviews” and “studies” they misquote.

    This is as bad as the vaccination Catalyst that told lies,also and your professor and journalist ignorant of the studies done.

    All in all, you you should be taken off air and placed in the nearest sewage works.

  7. It was a disgusting set of lies, one only has to look at the graph we were shown a couple of years ago which showed Queensland had no worse teeth problems and even less in some States when Townsville was the only fluoridated town in Queensland.

    Absolute pack of lies.

    Bette S.

  8. Like saying a little arsenic every day kills, but a large dose won’t .I have been mass medicated with fluoridated water since 2009 to the detriment of my health .Now in Units where one meter and 20 owners split cost , I pay whether I use it or not .Bottled water price out , so at own expense have installed pure water system to protect my health .Catalyst not happy with your report on Fluoride .

  9. Sandy S (#4 above) covers it eloquently. Absolutely spot on!

    We knew from the moment this segment was advertised it was going to be a biased piece of trash. Catalyst has certainly lost all credibility now. They seem to be tripping over themselves to kowtow to the mainstream medical/dental establishment, with absolutely no attempt at proper investigative journalism. This rubbish follows on from their recent biased piece on chiropractors, and one a while back on vaccination.

    It makes me angry that our taxpayer dollars fund the ABC to spew this tripe. Years ago they used to produce well researched programs, but they fail the grade miserably now.

  10. Unfortunately the death of the ABC’s integrity with that biased piece of propaganda.

    More like a segment of paid advertising than anything resembling a piece scientific investigation. Which it should have been?

    The producers should be ashamed of themselves. But it is quite obvious they were well paid by those very institutions that benefit so much from this lie to continue propagating it. Yes corruption at its highest level.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s